ATN: They still have some time, don't you think?

Love: I don't think they do, politically, because I think they've been hypnotized and their souls have been stolen by the males around them in their punk-rock scene. Their souls have literally been stolen. They've been told, 'You can't sell out, you can't sell out, you can't be ambitious.' God bless Bikini Kill for sticking with it and then breaking up and moving to North Carolina to be a lesbian or whatever. Peace. At least they stayed on that one side. You can't just be a fence-sitter, you can't have all this talent, you know you have talent, and then not develop it.

Auf Der Maur: Yeah, they do have time. They're young girls, certainly, but what if it takes them a little while to catch up on ...

Love: But they live in Portland and they hate ... Did you see them at the Troubadour? They were mean, they were pulling that whole old-school riot shit, they weren't being an entertainer. I swear to God, I saw Beck a couple of years ago just come out with a white glitter Nudie yarmulke. And like be an entertainer! Which is what it is, just deal with it! And as much as that's entertainment back in the day, a brown T-shirt and a flannel was entertainment. Those guys, unfortunately -- and even I -- didn't know that was entertainment. We thought we were affecting change. We didn't know we were in costumes. I, of course, knew that I was in a costume because I was wearing makeup. It's all showbiz, really, and how much of an ass you're willing to make of yourself and how much you're willing to say words out of your mouth that you don't mean. That's a whole other deal. I'm not gonna do that.

To Be Continued...